'08 history: Obama staff won by playing race card

Right now for those of you with the mainstream media too 'inside' your heads, you're likely living the lie that somehow it was Hillary and Bill who played the race card and innocent Obama who has repeatedly been the victim, and that the 'liberal' media, radio and blogosphere have heroically come to the rescue of racism victim Obama. Because it's so overwhelmingly the preferred narrative, I assume that media lie will actually slime its way into 'pop histories' and then real histories of the campaign. Despite the actual reality, the South Carolina chapter well told here (I've highlighted where the 'race card' playing started):

. . . Obama himself prepared the ground [for the media's all out assumption of Clinton evil intent no matter how innocuous the actual statements] by making the first gratuitous personal attack of the campaign during the televised Congressional Black Caucus Institute debate in South Carolina on 21 January, although virtually every follower of the media coverage now assumes that it was Clinton who started the negative attacks. Following routine political sniping from her about supposedly admiring comments Obama had made about Ronald Reagan, Obama suddenly turned on Clinton and stared intimidatingly at her. "While I was working in the streets," he scolded her, ". . . you were a corporate lawyer sitting on the board of Wal-Mart." Then, cleverly linking her inextricably in the public consciousness with her husband, he added: "I can't tell who I'm running against sometimes."

One of his female staff then distributed a confidential memo to carefully selected journalists which alleged that a vaguely clumsy comment Hillary Clinton had made about Martin Luther King ("Dr King's dream began to be realised when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964") and a reference her husband had made in passing to Nelson Mandela ("I've been blessed in my life to know some of the greatest figures of the last hundred years . . . but if I had to pick one person whom I know would never blink, who would never turn back, who would make great decisions . . . I would pick Hillary") were deliberate racial taunts.

Another female staffer, Candice Tolliver - whose job it is to promote Obama to African Americans - then weighed in publicly, claiming that "a cross-section of voters are alarmed at the tenor of some of these statements" and saying: "Folks are beginning to wonder: Is this an isolated situation, or is there something bigger behind all of this?" That was game, set and match: the Clintons were racists, an impression sealed when Bill Clinton later compared Obama's victory in South Carolina to those of Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988 (even though Jackson himself, an Obama supporter, subsequently declared Clinton's remarks to be entirely inoffensive).

The pincer movement, in fact, could have come straight from a textbook on how to wreck a woman's presidential election campaign: smear her whole persona first, and then link her with her angry, red-faced husband. The public Obama, characteristically, pronounced himself "unhappy" with the vilification carried out so methodically by his staff, but it worked like magic: Hillary Clinton's approval ratings among African Americans plummeted from above 80 per cent to barely 7 per cent in a matter of days, and have hovered there since.

I suspect that, as a result, she will never be able entirely to shake off the "racist" tag. [So, Dem hierarchy, faggedabout 2012 (assuming Obama loses in 2008) even if Hillary would be the Dems' best chance for a winner, she's toast.] "African-American super-delegates [who are supporting Clinton] are being targeted, harassed and threatened," says one of them, Representative Emanuel Cleaver. "This is the politics of the 1950s." Obama and Axelrod have achieved their objectives: to belittle Hillary Clinton and to manoeuvre the ever-pliant media into depicting every political criticism she makes against Obama as racist in intent.

The danger is that, in their headlong rush to stop the first major female candidate (aka "Hildebeast" and "Hitlery") from becoming president, the punditocracy may have landed the Democrats with perhaps the least qualified presidential nominee ever. . . .

http://www.newstatesman.com/north-americ a/2008/05/obama-clinton-vote-usa-media

Nonetheless, by the way (and disagreeing with where the Statesman dude goes from that point forward) Obama has an excellent chance of winning against McCain, who is the least young presidential nominee ever, and who stands to reap the ill wind blowing toward the Bush-Cheney cabal and its Iraq/Afghanistan quagmires and tanking economy.

Thanks for finding the Statesman link, SPK at http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/23/1128 21/681



Display:


A prayer (1.50 / 6)

Oh God when will you end the suffering that the American people have to endure because of Hillary and her supporters????


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:46:42 PM EST

At least we have minds of our own (1.80 / 5)

and aren't the Democratic party equivalent of a Bush supporter.
by linc on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:48:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I think that the Obama campaign has set us back (1.60 / 5)

20 years in some respects. Its not a good way to run a campaign and I am amazed that they have managed to pull it off.

It makes me ashamed of my own party.

Hillary is not a racist.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:53:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Who is behind this? (1.66 / 3)

One has to wonder, who could possibly gain by setting black and white Democrats against each other. Its not just the Obama campaign. There is more to this evil than just that.

>The pincer movement, in fact, could have come straight from a textbook on how to wreck a woman's presidential election campaign: smear her whole persona first, and then link her with her angry, red-faced husband. The public Obama, characteristically, pronounced himself "unhappy" with the vilification carried out so methodically by his staff, but it worked like magic: Hillary Clinton's approval ratings among African Americans plummeted from above 80 per cent to barely 7 per cent in a matter of days, and have hovered there since.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:56:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Who is behind this? (2.00 / 3)

Yeah really.. I wonder which side would benefit from driving a wedge between blacks and whites?

Think about it.. seriously... only one-side had anything to gain from race-baiting.... and it wasn't obama's side


by CaptainMorgan on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:57:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hill's positives going from 80% to 7% among (none / 0)

African-Americans? Critical to South Carolina, and the Obama campaign was desperate at that point. Well, anyway, they paid a price for it later but by that point his worshipful media were already declaring the race over and Obama the winner.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Fri May 23, 2008 at 04:17:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Who the fuck thinks that? (none / 0)

surely not you. no 'lamont bloggers' lost their jobs did they?

actually, who the hell are the paid obama bloggers.

I was assuming you meant the DailyKos, or something like that.

But ... hey, if you can consider hillary to be like a personal friend, someone who you wiould take personal offense at someone else maligning. I can do the same with kos!


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:01:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

there is a simpler explanation. (2.00 / 6)

The Obama campaign's "race-baiting" caused Clinton's numbers to crash?

That's funny.

Here I though, based on quite a few interviews, that Clinton's numbers didn't crash because black voters abandoned Clinton. Rather,large numbers of African-Americans switched to Obama because he won in Iowa and was very close in New Hampshire and people realized that for the first time a black candidate had a pretty good shot among a broad spectrum of white voters.

But I guess it's easier to claim that dirty campaign tricks fooled all those people in South Carolina to vote against Clinton.


by emptythreatsfarm on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:15:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I suspect that your theory (2.00 / 1)

is mostly correct. But it's clear that the faux Clinton race-baiting meme has taken a strong hold and it probably had some influence in SC and subsequent primary states since it has been so widely disseminated and Obama has done so little to stop it. I wonder if some segment of supporters, of either race, have embraced it as a subconscious way to excuse the venom of their own hate-Hillary agenda? Probably not; just an idle rambling thought there.

PS: Don't forget the influence BushCo's smear against McCain had in SC in the 2000 campaign. Dirty campaign tricks work, alas, and not just among Republicans.


by Swedie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 04:01:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think that the Obama campaign has set us bac (2.00 / 1)

What's not a good way to run a campaign? Please be specific.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:56:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think that the Obama campaign has set us bac (none / 0)

The way that wins apparently.  If you don't understand how the delegate system works for the nomination you are trying to win then you are doing a great job in bizzaro world.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Fri May 23, 2008 at 02:02:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No way! (2.00 / 4)

This is just absurd--and it reeks of nothing more than "I'm-bitter-'cause-MY-candidate-lost."  There is absolutely no proof to back up any claim that the Obama campaign has set us back 20 years--except that some faceless nameless interent person said it's so.

Get over it already.


"The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."
by AK Democrat on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:10:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary is not a racist. (2.00 / 1)

but she played one during this campaign.


the time to rise has been engaged.
by catchaz on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:15:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary is not a racist. (none / 0)

No she did not play one during this campaign. But folks like you (by repeating that false meme), the MSM and a legion of Obama supporters/surrogates have made certain that people who fail to investigate on their own will continue to believe she did.


by Swedie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 04:07:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I think... (1.00 / 1)

This diary is game, set, and match.


by handsomegent on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:35:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

More like D.O.A. (none / 0)


Please don't associate moose with Palin, she likes to kill them.
by KLRinLA on Fri May 23, 2008 at 02:47:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: More like D.O.A. (none / 0)

More like it's completely right on.


by handsomegent on Fri May 23, 2008 at 03:22:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Nah, read below, no one takes sh*t (none / 0)

like this dairy seriously anymore.  The more the trolls put this shit out there, the more all real democrats see it for what it is: shit.  

Notice how real Hillary supporters here are complaining about this too?  Yeah, it's that tranparent


Please don't associate moose with Palin, she likes to kill them.
by KLRinLA on Fri May 23, 2008 at 03:39:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: At least we have minds of our own (none / 0)

...most Clinton supporters do...you, however, the jury is still out..


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:53:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What jury? (none / 0)

of my peers or will it have to include Obama supporters?
by linc on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:56:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What jury? (none / 0)

Peers?  We've seen how that works for minorities...


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:59:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Right back to the racist thing (2.00 / 1)

everyone who doesn't support Obama like a he were the messiah, he must be a racist. Thank you for the perfect example of the Obama fan I am referring to.
by linc on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:01:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Right back to the racist thing (2.00 / 3)

You were talking about juries and peers...this was no comparison to Obama and his supporters...You keep on spinning we will keep on winning....


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:02:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You're an asshole, I'm an asshole (none / 0)

all the Presidential candidates are assholes too!

Next please.

Yes, this is my personal belief, and not intended as an attack on anyone except possibly myself.

But, hey, tell me again, about that line... with messiah in it.

Obama's plenty charismatic, I'm not.

Clinton's charismatic too, I'm not.

I can smell shit, though, and yours stinks!

[n.b. proper response to irate Obama supporter
L: Does your shit stink too?
BS: Yeah, but at Least I ADMIT it!
]


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:04:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: At least we have minds of our own (2.00 / 2)

Minds of your own! LOL All you guys do is repeat clinton daily talking points. And I can't tell you how many times I've heard you guys say "hillary speaks for me".


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:55:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Its odd how you can state that (none / 0)

without even a hint of self reflection... Radical right anyone?
by linc on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:59:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Its odd how you can state that (2.00 / 1)

I have NEVER seen any Obama supporters state that Obama speaks for them, however on your favorite hate sites, hill44 and taylormarshmouth, I've seen that statement many times.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:40:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I know the MSNBC misogynists (2.00 / 1)

are suffering terribly, but that's not America, is it? In the real world the second place guy or gal goes to the convention and concedes there. Jerry Brown, Gary Hart, and so on: no massive media fervor for Hillary to go back to her cave or whatever.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:50:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I know the MSNBC misogynists (2.00 / 0)

here is an MSNBC Mysoginst who is just a terrible man:


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:52:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

dude, if she wants to set down her campaign (1.50 / 2)

and buy a lottery ticket to the presidency, more power to her!

but, as with the Rev. Wright thing, I don't think she can control her backers.

So, in this special case, she should step down.

Because her backers are dangerous people, and they don't like to lose power.


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:06:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

How is Obama... (none / 0)

going to portray himself as the anti-establishment giant slayer when he has Dashcle, Boren, Nunn, and those Kennedys on his side?


by handsomegent on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:38:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

wow, a good question! (2.00 / 1)

... somehwat offtopic, but we're drifting anyhow ;-)

He's not. he's going to portray himself as being able to strike deals, and mediate things without getting caught up in negativity.

So far he seems to be working.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_i deologies_in_the_United_States

I may support him, but I do hate the kumbaya shit. Other people, it's the only thing they could support.


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:42:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: How is Obama... (none / 0)

Establishment?  no, we need that.

We need to remove all the blue dogs who just love roll over and play dead to republican delight and laughter.

Anyone who voted against the Webb GI bill needs to be excommunicated asap.

if you disagree I am dying to know why?


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:45:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A prayer (2.00 / 2)

I try to avoid TRing these days, but that really deserved it.


by Montague on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:52:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A prayer (1.50 / 2)

It is our cross to bear for a few more months I suspect.  Look at the bright side though, it is better than being turned into a pillar of salt.  At least we got that going for us.  Right?


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:52:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: '08 history: Obama staff won by playing race c (1.80 / 5)

Love the way you DISAGREE with the New Statesmen dude about EVERYTHING, except a few selectively highlighted quotes

Go on. Rewrite history. But since it is history now, we'll let the professionals work out 'who started it'.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:47:13 PM EST

Re: '08 history: Obama staff won by playing race c (2.00 / 2)

No, I agreed with him about the race card. I disagree that Obama himself has played the misogyny card, and I disagree with the Statesman guy's implication that Obama's chances of winning in November are poor. He does the SC campaign history very well, though, and he does the media misogyny story very well.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:51:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: '08 history: Obama staff won by playing race c (none / 0)

You must have a very weak argument if you need to troll me for a fair point.

Come to think of it - your handle is a double contradiction. Neither fair nor left as far as I can see.

Just leave it with the reverse race baiting accusations. That was so last month. The memo went out before the NC primary. Then came along Kentucky and WV and it was dropped.

This is so old hat it's not even infuriating anymore. Just dumb and wrong


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:17:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: '08 history: Obama staff won by playing race c (none / 0)

I give ones to posts who make baldly false claims (I disagreed with EVERYTHING . . .) about my diary that show they apparently haven't read it.

Yes, I am making the "reverse race-baiting" accusation, because it matches the facts of what has happened.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Fri May 23, 2008 at 04:25:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Uprated for ratings abuse. (n/t) (none / 0)

nt


Check out McCain.
by you like it on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:14:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

LOL. (1.60 / 5)

Only in Hillaryland (inhabited by Rovian Democrats) do people get to accuse others of the sins they themselves perpetrated.

She lost, man. It's over. Support Obama or salute the elephant at Free Republic.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:47:24 PM EST

The real reality is clear, (2.00 / 2)

and the media 'reality' is equally clear on the other side.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:52:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The real reality is clear, (1.85 / 7)

Yes the reality is clear. It's just that you can't see it. Unfortunately for the Clintons, when the historians look back on this race, they will not review your blog comments, they'll review OP-EDs and other high level sources of info and they'll determine that Clinton courted the racist vote and that her campaign sowed the seeds of racism starting in 2007. They'll also look at the corporate media and view them as accomplices.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:59:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yup, like I said in the first sentence (2.00 / 1)

Just like real reality of Gore v Bush will be in places like dailyhowler.com and not in 'high level' places like WaPost and NYTimes. Come to think of it, the real reality of how we got started into the Iraq quagmire won't be found in 'news' at 'high level' places either.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:04:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yup, like I said in the first sentence (1.75 / 4)

Apples/oranges. Her racist campaign was documented at the time that it happened from Shaheen - Obama will be asked if he's a drug dealer - on to her white working class Americans comments.

Unlike the lazy Gore/Bush reporting  which did actually follow up and show that Gore won FL but didn't trumpet it loudly or the Iraq war - where the media was complicit - that didn't happen here.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:07:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

FREE MARKET (2.00 / 1)

told us who won gore v bush.

All hail free market!


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:07:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The real reality is clear, (none / 0)

Mojo'ed to remove HR.

Would like to see some evidence for this, and what you're saying is pretty damning. But you don't say it in an unreasonable way, and it doesn't deserve to be hidden


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:08:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The real reality is clear, (2.00 / 5)

The first instance I can find of a Clinton campaigner going for the "He's a scary black guy" angle was Bill Shaheen when he said, in December of 2007 , that Obama might be asked if he was a drug dealer because he admitted to using drugs. Now no one ever asked Clinton, Gore, or Bush if they were drug dealers even though they admitted to drug use so he was clearly operating on and playing to stereoptypes not rational thought at that point.

I don't know if there was anything earlier than that. Probably not because Obama wasn't seen as a threat until they got closer to Iowa.  


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:15:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

In 2007, there was a comment about (none / 0)

obama being asked if he was a drug dealer.

Truth in Advertising: when someone mentioned that Obama had tried cocaine, that really skeeved me off. I mentioned that on kos, and got told that I was a young whippersnapper who didn't know that everyone in NYC at that time did cocaine (including stockbrokers).


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:18:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: In 2007, there was a comment about (none / 0)

I know, and white guys like Bush and WJC don't get asked if they're dealers.

But some Obama SUPPORTERS have said some dumb things (like the SC memo) so there's a difference between an official campaign policy, and off key surrogates.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:31:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: In 2007, there was a comment about (none / 0)

The SC memo was pointing out racially questionable issues. That's not dumb. It'd be offensive to me if they let it slide.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:35:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: In 2007, there was a comment about (none / 0)

Yup. But the memo writer was hostage then to the 'Obama is playing the race card' thing. Such a tight line to navigate. He's done it brilliantly. But the memo was disowned for obvious reasons. He can't take the gloves off against a democratic candidate who also carries millions of votes.

I agree with you about the content and the principle, but the politics played right into the hands of the guilt ridden 'he started it with race' crowd.

Just sayin'


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Fri May 23, 2008 at 02:11:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: In 2007, there was a comment about (2.00 / 1)

Ah it's hard to logically say "he started it" with a memo pointing out racially divisive comments made by the Clinton camp - which they weren't forced to make - no? Seems that "he started it" would have occurred with a certain crowd no matter what happened as I only hear that from Clinton supporters and no one else.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 04:11:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: In 2007, there was a comment about (none / 0)

You're right. But that memo has given MYDD posters about two months of ammunition. They're wrong and might have found ANYTHING. But Obama has strategically placed himself in both camps, not post racial but evidently biracial.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Fri May 23, 2008 at 07:10:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Rovian Democrats? (2.00 / 2)

Low blow.

Critique the diary, as I did below.  Don't take cheap shots at the Clinton people.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:55:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rovian Democrats? (2.00 / 2)

You're right; I've got no beef with the majority of Clinton supporters. It's just the ones who write diaries like these that bug me.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:01:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We need to restore the Clintons' good name (none / 0)

on racial matters, especially because Hillary might just be the best Dem candidate in 2012. That will be a very very hard task, but this diary is a start.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:06:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Can we get clinton to admit that tried cocaine (none / 0)

first?

(Wexler did it.)


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:09:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: We need to restore the Clintons' good name (2.00 / 2)

It's up to the Clintons to restore their good name; they lost me, my father, and my mother (two of the biggest Clinton defenders you'd ever find in the nineties) with their campaign this season. The onus is on them to make amends.

And I'm not here to prop up the Clintons for 2012; I'm here to push for a Democrat in 2008. And it looks like we've got a nominee, which means all Democrats should be working to get him into office, rather than trying to undermine him with hit diaries to make room for a hypothetical race in 2012.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:09:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Here's a 2000 to 2012 story: (none / 0)

Most electable candidate in 2000: Gore; mainstream media destroys him, and it started with their Bradly love fest and got worse during the race with Bush and finished with the media firestorm demanding Gore to concede. Sound familiar?

Most electable candidate in 2004: Gore; he decides not to run, doesn't want to deal with that sh*t again.

Most electable candidate in 2008: Clinton; mainstream media destroys her.

Most electable candidate in 2012 (assuming Obama lost in 2008): Clinton; she decides not to run, doesn't want to deal with that sh*t again.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:11:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

no way to restore the Clintons' good name on race (none / 0)

they have FOREVER tarnished themselves, and their supporters, and the party, with their open embrace of racism.
you can't just be as racist as possible to get racist votes and then say "i'm sorry," and expect all to be forgiven.
too little, too late. i don't want these race-baiters anywhere near the White House, or anywhere near the power in the Democratic party. we are better than that. at least most of us are.
the time to rise has been engaged.
by catchaz on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:23:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Total unmitigated bullshit (2.00 / 1)

Shame on you for promulgating that kind of crap. You show yourself not to be "better than that" with such statements. If you really believe that faux meme, then you had better learn how to do better and more thorough research, and try very very hard to keep an open mind while you're doing it.

Or don't you subscribe to being a part of the "reality based" progressive community?


by Swedie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 04:23:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You're kidding (none / 0)

And just so you know, I am African-American. After all the perceived shit out there ESPECIALLY the "hard working people, white people" comment, she generally has miniscule credibility in the black community.  Go ahead and re-establish the Clintons good name, but we will remember all the bullshit.  Most of us are SOOOO over the Clintons.

That "hard working people, white people" comment was especially egregious for a very big reason.  NO Democrat has won a presidential election with the majority of the white vote in 30 or more years.  They've won with a coalition that the Clintons probably have irreparably fractured with their behavior.  If we see a Clinton name on a presidential ticket, we will run in the other direction.  There's your realit.


I'm riding the Low Road Express. Join me at www.lowroadexpress.com
by LtWorf on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:56:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This whole thing is really sad (none / 0)

I think supporters of both candidates have become overly sensitive to perceived slights where none were intended.

Hillary was referencing an AP story when she made that statement. She said it clumsily but meant no disrespect to the AA community. (As a practical aside, since she is well aware that the AA community has moved to Obama's side in massive numbers and is unlikely to support her, whose votes do you suggest she should be going after?)

Likewise, Clinton supporters like to point to Obama's "You're likeable enough" statement to get their panties all in a bunch over. I for one do not for a minute believe he meant that the way it is perceived by Clinton supporters. I think it was a clumsy statement, in the same way that his reference to "clinging to guns and religion" was said clumsily but not meant the way it came out.

It's just very depressing to me that Democrats are so willing on both sides to unnecessarily trash a pair of Democratic candidates who both have long histories of fighting for the right things. It hurts me to the core that it has come to this.


by Swedie on Fri May 23, 2008 at 04:43:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Basically the 'working class white people' (none / 0)

comment, which is what she was obviously trying to say, is another ridiculously bogus 'Clintons only' controversy. I.e., when Obama talked about 'typical white person' that disappeared quickly cuz it was the same thing as Clinton's 'white people' comment: a fatigue gotcha from millions of minutes of interviews. They keep on coming for Hillary only, there's another fake one today.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:03:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I support Hillary. (2.00 / 1)

And I don't like it either.

For better or worse, this is almost over.  I'm really tired of arguing so much with people I agree with so much.

So frustrating.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:12:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Wow (2.00 / 1)

Our Nominee:


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:48:27 PM EST

Re: Wow (2.00 / 1)

That is my response to the premise of this shameful diary.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:49:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Wow (2.00 / 2)

Attacking race card playing is honorable. I just want to get the true story out there, and attempt to restore the Clintons' good name, perhaps in anticipation of 2012.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:53:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Wow (1.00 / 4)

Well then you are an asshole and my enemy.

And by proxy an enemy of America.  


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:57:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 2012 (2.00 / 1)

There will be no 2012 for Clinton, at least at the presidential level.  Obama will be in the White House house.  


by rf7777 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 02:04:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Not helping. (2.00 / 1)

We should be coming together right now, not throwing around these accusations.  This is behind us.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:52:19 PM EST

Re: Not helping. (2.00 / 3)

I wonder if Jerome will allow hit and smear pieces like this once Hillary officially concedes?

At that point only Republicans have any reason to attack Obama, therefore we should have instant ban for Democratic haters.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:54:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Not helping. (2.00 / 3)

Why wouldn't he? He wirtes them himself.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:57:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Restoring the Clintons' good name (2.00 / 2)

is honorable and necessary, especially considering the strong possibility we'll lose this year.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:54:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I agree. (none / 0)

You can do that by writing a diary about their contributions to the AA community.  This is the kind of debate that divides us right and that's not what we need.

Believe me, I have a list of people whose behavior in this campaign has angered me.  After this campaign is over, I think it is open season on the people who did this.  I plan to go after several of these so-called progressives the morning after the election.

But really, you're not going to convince anybody of anything here right now.  We need to follow Hillary's example, now.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:04:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

who is on it, if I may ask? (none / 0)

yeah, i'm all for every faction taking people to task when they do wrong.


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:16:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If HRC supporters cost Dems (2.00 / 3)

the presidency in 2008, HRC will not win her re-election to U.S. Senate, I predict.

I guarantee she'll go nowhere in Dem primaries in 2012.


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:16:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Restoring the Clintons' good name (none / 0)

you're spamming your own diary sir or madam.


Unable to rec or rate Still supporting Obama
by astoria gooner on Fri May 23, 2008 at 02:28:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Away daft troll! (2.00 / 4)


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:52:54 PM EST

'08 history: Obama staff won by playing race card (2.00 / 3)

Please.  I was told by the Clinton campaign it was because of misogyny.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:54:00 PM EST

Re: '08 history: Obama staff won by playing race c (1.50 / 2)

The Statesman article's honest history contradicts the Statesman writer's premise. There's very little  evidence the Obama campaign played the misogyny card, and plenty that they played the race card.

Of course media misogyny has helped Obama, but not as much as the race card in my humble opinion. The affect on the African-American vote was immediate, massive, and necessary for Obama's survival.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:57:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What about? (none / 0)

Yes, that's why he won the whole she-bang.  Not b/c he organized better or that he had the better campaign.  Not that he managed his finances better or that he planned for the long haul.  


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:01:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: '08 history: Obama staff won by playing race c (none / 0)

Wisconsin


by the mollusk on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:10:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

He won the whitest state in the country (none / 0)

... not that you can name it, right?

(truth in advertising: it's maine)


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:14:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: '08 history: Obama staff won by playing race c (1.14 / 7)

Amen!  The Obama race-card strategy was transparent from the New Hampshire primaries on.  The distortion of Pres Clinton's  "fairytale" was a clear sign as to how low the Obama campaign was willing to go.  That's when I first started to balk against Obama and his campaign.

Unfortunately, the willing media and African Americans fell for it.  

I will not vote for such a divisive presidential nominee in the fall.  I'm also leaving the Dem party and going Independent.


by trixta on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:56:58 PM EST

Re: '08 history: Obama staff won by playing race c (2.00 / 1)

Oh the wannabe troll Trixta.

Trixta, I looked you up the other day.

I think you might be a little too old to get into the trolling business just yet.

Anyways, I noticed that everyone ignored you so I though I would give some love.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:58:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: '08 history: Obama staff won by playing race c (none / 0)

Big yawn!  But thanks for the love.


by trixta on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:45:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What are you doing here? (2.00 / 2)

This is a site for people planning to vote for the Democratic nominee--not for people to sow discord while tearing down the nominee.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:59:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What are you doing here? (1.00 / 1)

Because you Obamatans have to know just how divisive your behavior has been throughout this primary process and within the liberal/progressive movement.      


by trixta on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:38:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Who divided the party (none / 0)

This is how you divide a party.

Making false representations of your opponents record.

Disrespecting agreements with the party and vilifying the party for trying to enforce the rules.

It is your candidate who has divided the party in a desperate attempt to overrule the party's choice.


We shall overcome. Yes we can.
by Sam Wise Gingy on Fri May 23, 2008 at 02:29:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: '08 history: Obama staff won by playing race c (none / 0)

12/07: Obama might get asked if he was a drug dealer!


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:00:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The 'fairy tale' race card playing (none / 0)

was an earlier stage in the story, and apparently less effective. I don't relate that story above, and I'm not sure how active or significant Obama staffers were in pushing it.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:01:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: '08 history: Obama staff won by playing race c (2.00 / 2)

I don't think it's too much of a low blow to ask you to reconsider your vote in the fall, should the decision come down to Obama, McCain, or other.  Voting for Nader, as has become quite apparent, isn't a successful strategy to further progressive ideals.  Any vote that isn't for the Democratic nominee will have the effect of keeping our soldiers dying in Iraq.  If Hillary winds up with the nomination, I would put aside my hurt sensibilities and vote for her because I'm sick of American blood being spilled.  If that's not visceral enough for you, I'm not sure what else would be.


When I grow up, I want to be a superdelegate!
by robitude on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:05:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: '08 history: Obama staff won by playing race c (none / 0)

I've had family serve in the military and have already lost a family member to war (Viet Nam), so war is very real to me.  

I don't believe that a clear democratic majority--which we will have this next cycle--in both houses would allow a Pres McCain to prolong the Iraq war unnecessarily.  

Also, if Obama is as strong and charismatic as his fans claim, then I'm sure he can win many red states in the general election.  Apparently, blue states and swing states don't figure too much into his strategy in November.


by trixta on Fri May 23, 2008 at 02:00:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: '08 history: Obama staff won by playing race c (1.20 / 5)

The Obama race-card strategy was transparent from the New Hampshire primaries on.  The distortion of Pres Clinton's  "fairytale" was a clear sign as to how low the Obama campaign was willing to go.  
Unfortunately, the willing media and African Americans fell for it.  

I will not vote for such a divisive presidential nominee in the fall.  I'm also leaving the Dem party and going Independent.


by trixta on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:59:14 PM EST

Re: '08 history: Obama staff won by playing race c (2.00 / 3)

You know if a Republican wanted to come on a message board like this and help his/her side to win they would say just what you said.


by Becky G on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:03:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: '08 history: Obama staff won by playing race c (1.66 / 3)

This is why you can't let senior citizens troll.

http://trixta.mydd.com/user/trixta/comme nts

just read through those for a laugh,  the screenname makes sense now.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:05:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

<snark>yeah! (2.00 / 1)

those stoopid african americans are so stoopid that they stoopidly were fooled by stoopid Obama's stoopid race card strategy.  stoopid.  its not possible at all that they actually saw some race baiting.

</snark>


Check out McCain.
by you like it on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:28:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

don't like the POTUS nominee? (none / 0)

Work for Dem candidates for Congress.

If you can't bring yourself to work against Republicans for Congress because your feelings got hurt in the presidential race, you should probably make an appointment with a therapist and have him/her evaluate if you are a narcissist.


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Fri May 23, 2008 at 02:02:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Scary Obama (2.00 / 3)

I love the part where the author describes how "Obama suddenly turned on Clinton and stared intimidatingly at her"

First of all, I think it is impossible to intimidate Hillary Clinton (to her credit).

But mostly, since I didn't see it myself, I want to know which intimidating look he used.

Blue Steel?
Ferrari?
Le Tigra?


by emptythreatsfarm on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:00:32 PM EST

Re: Scary Obama (none / 0)

Blue Steel. Totally.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:01:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Scary Obama (2.00 / 2)

My vote is for Magnum!  That's change we can believe  in right there!


When I grow up, I want to be a superdelegate!
by robitude on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:06:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's glorious!! (none / 0)


Please don't associate moose with Palin, she likes to kill them.
by KLRinLA on Fri May 23, 2008 at 03:26:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

"Scary Black Man!" (2.00 / 1)

That was the one. Just another example of Obama playing the race card...

/stupid.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:02:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yeah, I don't think anything ciould intimidate t (none / 0)

that woman.

And that's definitely to her credit.


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:12:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Scary Obama (none / 0)

Hansel for president.  He's the only one who can unite the party, and he's so hot right now.


by rfahey22 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:21:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Magnum! (none / 0)

Clearly.


Check out McCain.
by you like it on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:29:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: '08 history: (2.00 / 2)

So you say Obama won but you're still trashing him as the presumptive nominee. When will you stop?  It's past time to get behind him and quit giving the Repubs ammunition.


by Becky G on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:00:59 PM EST

Re: '08 history: Obama staff won by playing race c (1.66 / 3)

couldn't be said better


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:05:56 PM EST

Re: '08 history: Obama staff won by playing race c (1.50 / 2)

Republican trolls tend to agree with another.

So DiamondJay,  is Trixta you own creative creation.

Wow, props man, she spits hot fire (chapelle reference for the youngins)


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:10:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: '08 history: Obama staff won by playing race c (none / 0)

how the hell am I a troll? Just because I see that this Obama is not about change, but about being more politician than politicians by smearing honorable people like the Clintons does not make me a troll


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Fri May 23, 2008 at 02:05:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: '08 history: Obama staff won by playing race c (2.00 / 1)

It heartens me to see that this diary has only been recommended once.


by the mollusk on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:09:27 PM EST