Democrats' 2009 Social Security 'Compromise'?

Thanks to kosnomore (I like it!) over at mydd for the alert to the latest 'Social Security sky is falling!' bull doodoo from a right-wing Democrat, Alice Rivkin, former Clinton official and now of the very inside-the-beltway Brookings Institute:

With the large baby boom generation retiring and Americans living longer, the ratio of workers to Social Security beneficiaries is falling fast. Quite soon the payroll taxes coming into the Social Security system will be inadequate to pay all the benefits promised to retirees.

Of course the above is lamely, abjectly false. Here's Dean Baker:

. . . all the projections show that the Social Security program is fundamentally sound. According to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, the program can pay every penny of benefits through the year 2046, with no changes whatsoever. The changes needed to keep the program fully funded over its 75 year projection period are no larger than the changes made in each of the decades from the fifties to the eighties.

Rivkin continues:

Fixing the Social Security program is relatively simple -- far less complex than reforming health care. It requires choosing a combination of revenue increases and benefit reductions . . .

Hey, Alice, why are benefit reductions required when a very small increase in revenue would assure no benefit reductions? Who is paying your salary? And, by the way, as Dean Baker sez below, reducing benefits to people who have paid in with the understanding that they'd receive a certain amount of benefits amounts to a default on government bonds:

Also, when discussing plans to cut Social Security benefits, it would have been appropriate to mention that the Social Security trust fund is projected by the Congressional Budget Office to be fully funded for almost 40 years. Cutting benefits in this context effectively amounts to defaulting on the bonds held by the trust fund. If the government is going to default on bonds designated to fund workers' retirements, then the public may want to consider defaulting on other government bonds as well.

Rivkin continues:

Of course, everyone has to compromise to accomplish a comprehensive Social Security reform. Republicans have to give up diverting existing revenues into private accounts. But they can preserve private accounts on top of Social Security and strengthen incentives for individual retirement savings without going to "privatization."

Hey, that doesn't sound like any compromise at all: the Republicans want a poison pill that subsidizes middle-class voters into turning away from Social Security, and you propose to give one to them. Okay, and now here's how the good guys have to compromise:

Democrats have to accept future benefit cuts, but they need not be drastic and can spare current retirees and lower-income beneficiaries. The package could include future gradual increases in the retirement age and concentrate benefit cuts on higher income people.

Increase the retirement age, again? It's already scheduled to gradually rise to 68. How long do you propose grandpa should have to drive that truck or mop the cafeteria floor? And benefit cuts to higher income people, won't that help turn Social Security into more of a welfare program, and jack up middle-and higher-income anti-Social Security sentiment?

Here's a final bit of Rivkin:

As part of the compromise, both parties must agree to revenue increases, but they, too, can be modest and can spare low-income individuals. For example, the cap on income subject to social security tax can be raised in gradual steps." . . .

Again, as kosnomore points out, the `spare low-income individuals' is part of Rivkin's `turn it into a welfare program instead of pension system' theme:

Cut benefits?  Means test?  Make folks work 8 hour shifts in farms and mines and factories until they're well in their 70's?

In other words, monkey around with THE most successful universally admired welfare state accomplishment of the Democratic Party. Turn a respected pension plan into a means tested welfare program, guaranteeing it will eventually be abandoned by the middle class, smothered and killed.

That has been the goal of the Republicans since the minute Social Security was adopted.

I don't know whether Rivkin is in tight with Obama, but I worry that Rivkin's is the SS 'compromise' the Democratic and Republican parties will attempt to foist on us in 2009.



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NO NO NO NO NOOOOO! (2.00 / 2)

How many ways do they want to FUCK US?!

SS and Medicare can be "fixed" easily! They need to STOP listening to right wing talkers and use their friggin BRAINS!


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by kevin22262 on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 08:46:17 PM EST

Inflation out of control for all of us. (2.00 / 1)

The cost of many staple food items is going up at an incredible rate. When will the government admit that the real rate of inflation is several times the 'official rate'.

Over the last few years, I have increasingly seen well dressed seniors looking through garbage cans for food. They are obviously eligible for Social Security. Obviously IT ISN'T ENOUGH.

Thats how bad it is.


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by architek on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 09:04:12 PM EST
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Re: Inflation out of control for all of us. (2.00 / 1)

Yes, the Bushies have been messing with the official inflation rate. Let's hope Obama at least deals with that, or we'll all have to stop buying gas (and other stuff not counted in the official rate).


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by fairleft on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 09:28:44 PM EST
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What does this article have to do with (2.00 / 0)

Obama?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that he wants to raise the payroll taxes on people making at least $250,000,  while providing a doughnut to those making between 102,500 to 250,000, to pay for SS and has not advocated reducing anyone's benefits.

McCain's privatization idea is a complete loser politically anyway; I don't see any reason why SS benefits should be compromised from a political perspective.


by Blazers Edge on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 08:50:46 PM EST

Re: What does this article have to do with (none / 0)

I hope he goes through with a 'Democrats only' plan that and doesn't 'compromise' with the Republicans. Last time SS was reformed it was a bipartisan process, and Obama is attracted to that kind of thing.


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by fairleft on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 08:54:14 PM EST
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Re: What does this article have to do with (2.00 / 1)

Aren't you criticizing the guy a little preemptively then?  I recall him stating last Friday that he would not raise the retirement age, to create a contrast to what John McCain's SS plan would do.

His SS plan sounds pretty progessive to me in the sense that he has actually come out in favor of raising the cap on the payroll tax up to the first $250,000 of income for those making at least $250,000 to increase funds for SS.  I recall Hillary saying she wouldn't say for sure at the Philadelphia debate whether she would raise the cap on the payroll tax.


by Blazers Edge on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 09:03:54 PM EST
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Thanks, I feel better. I hope he makes the SS contrast in plans a major issue; it alone can win Florida for Obama.


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by fairleft on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 09:30:06 PM EST
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Re: What does this article have to do with (2.00 / 1)

The question is, does he mean it?  In May 2007, Obama told George Stephanopoulos that he wanted a bipartisan commission like Tip O'Neill and Reagan had, and that everything was on the table, except privatization.  

For those who remember properly, what Reagan and O'Neill ended up with was instituting taxes on Social Security benefits when there had never been any, raising the retirement age, and raising the percentages of earnings that workers (and their employers) paid.  This was particularly bad for the self employed who got stuck paying more both as workers and as their own employers.

Meanwhile, the raises in FICA kept going up until Senator Moynihan accused the government of Thievery.

This is the model that Obama said he would like to emulate?

In other words, raising the FISA cap, benefit cuts, reduction in the inflation rate automatic raises, and rise in the retirement age are all on the table.

Now we're getting toward the GE, and Obama is not talking about bipartisan commissions; he's talking about donut hole FICA.

Thanks for this diary.  I hope liberals & progressives will keep Obama's feet to the fire on Social Security, both before and after the election.


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by LIsoundview on Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 11:39:18 PM EST
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Re: What does this article have to do with (2.00 / 1)

Exactly, does he mean it.

However, if he uses defending Social Security (more or less as is) a major part of his campaign, that will make it harder for O to back out on doing just that. It was worrisome in 2004, for example, that Kerry made Social Security defense (against Bush's openly stated privatization plans) such a very small, one day press release, part of his fall campaign.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Tue Jun 24, 2008 at 12:15:27 PM EST
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